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PostSubject: [Closed] Certain Monster Chasing Issues   Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:51 am

AEoD v5.29.1
GZdoom r1157 (irrelevant to case)

Bug:

Some monsters like the Demilich use certain capabilities that wind up causing monsters to infight each other on maps which they "teleport" in from. This is due to their chase state, which the Demilich employs using A_Explode as he moves. Thus, they can cause many monsters to die in areas they aren't supposed to, and more than half of the map can instantly be wiped out by accident.

It's not just the Demilich, either. The hell knight Sheriff is another one, and quite a few more.

Take a look at these snapshots: http://img211.imageshack.us/g/screenshotdoom201101090.png/

The first one shows the kill count in the lower left hand corner, and the second one shows how much time I've spent in the map.

Yeah... It's that bad. Almost 4/5ths of the map dead in under 2 minutes? Sorry, I don't have an HHH with me. Even then, the map has a lot of obstacles. This is in Sunder.wad too.

Recommendation:

Remove any damage caused by movement effects, to help prevent causing fights in their spawner boxes.


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PostSubject: Re: [Closed] Certain Monster Chasing Issues   Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:50 am

I don't think that's the problem. The problem could be that monsters like the demilich and bronze golem have to summon a dummy 'monster' in order to fire a rail attack from higher than normal. If those dummys don't have -COUNTKILL on them, they will be counted as monsters in the kill count, and when they disappear, they don't count as being killed. This results in never being able to get 100% kills, and in some extreme cases, the monster count could end up exaggerated to the point of being ridiculous.

In the case of the sheriff (and at one point, motorcycle Leonard), they summon a dummy in order to create a GL light effect to simulate a gunflash. I noticed this one day when I was testing Leonard in Plutonia map 31. Before too long, the monster count was in the hundreds.

And I greatly reduced the A_Explode damage and radius for the demilich in version 5 to compensate for the added teleport ability. It shouldn't cause monsters to infight anyway. If they are, it's likely because the monsters are active and are trying to attack you from far away, which could be more of a map problem than an AEoD bug. I've seen that before when I was fixing map 11 of 1monster (I never did like that map anyway).
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PostSubject: Re: [Closed] Certain Monster Chasing Issues   Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:28 pm

You don't understand, he's still causing monsters to fight regardless. If he gets close to someone who reacts by shooting missiles towards the player, even if he has the +NOINFIGHTING flag, they will still launch missiles in the player's direction even from behind a wall and cause other monsters to attack them.

Also, the actors for things like rails have absolutely nothing to do with this.

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PostSubject: Re: [Closed] Certain Monster Chasing Issues   Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:23 am

Doesnt the demilich has some kind of aura that does damage to monsters that are close as well. Maybe that plays in a bit if hes moving around near clusters of monsters.
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PostSubject: Re: [Closed] Certain Monster Chasing Issues   Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:54 am

Exactly why I started this thread.

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PostSubject: Re: [Closed] Certain Monster Chasing Issues   Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:56 am

Major Cooke wrote:
Exactly why I started this thread.

Alright, I cant really tell what you are talking about exactly when it gets to technical. I do know that the demilich has one several occations killed shitloads of enemies simply by being near on maps in uac5 when he has spawned on them.
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PostSubject: Re: [Closed] Certain Monster Chasing Issues   Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:40 am

Heheh... Technical jargon for the AEoD team to comprehend and speaking so regular members can understand as well apparently doesn't mix well for others. Razz

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PostSubject: Re: [Closed] Certain Monster Chasing Issues   Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:23 pm

Major Cooke wrote:
You don't understand, he's still causing monsters to fight.

Findus wrote:
Doesnt the demilich has some kind of aura that does damage to monsters that are close as well. Maybe that plays in a bit if hes moving around near clusters of monsters.

Major Cooke wrote:
Exactly why I started this thread.

Well, then you'd do good by explaining this better. A code in the 1st post would've been much clearer. Or a simple explanation like Findu's.

Anyway, Im thinking what to do here, since infight it's been always a major advantage for player (which I intend to keep) and even in the case you mention, that's an unintended but not completely unforeseen case. The solution would be to manually have some checks to verify the line of sight, and perhaps that'd be the way to go, but once again, I have to think about this, since certain monsters are indeed made to cause infight all around. So, if you have a list of monsters that do this, that'll help a lot.

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PostSubject: Re: [Closed] Certain Monster Chasing Issues   Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:10 pm

So far, the only few that I can think of having these issues are the Afrit (spreads flames underneath him, I think...), the Sheriff and the Demilich. I'll look out for more though...

And I do agree, infighting is really a life saver, it's just I hate it when they all kill each other in areas that the player won't ever see since they are supposed to be considered "otherworld" areas where they teleport in from.

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